Hi John - while listening to the Nov coaching session, I picked on the fact you have two separate domains for squeeze (SP) and home page (HP) . And i believe you mentioned , it's best practice to get people to your SP and then to your HP (this came up in the context of whether to make your SP a subpage on your home page or create a separate domain) My question is, do you have two different strategies and tool sets to drive traffic to each page? Such as, do you have different, say different SEO descriptors on the two pages that are relevant to two different target sectors of the traffic? I assume the "ad campaigns" are different, since I went to your SP not your HP because of the CD Baby interview, and I don't think you mentioned your HP on that. (but had I had your course i would have done a google search and gone to your homepage first to get the freebie 🙂 ) Just interested on your thoughts about how you see conceptually and implement traffic tools wrt each type of page.
The SMOP
Hi OJ,
I'm sure John will weigh in on this with more detail, but for things like paid traffic, you only want to use the squeeze page. After people opt-in you can send them to your blog site (homepage) all day long because you will now have the opportunity to interact via email.
Just as a general rule, any cold traffic (non subscribers), paid for or otherwise, should be directed to the squeeze page in order to establish that foundation for controlling the interaction. If they do happen to find your blog site via the search engines, you should have some mechanism in place to convert that traffic to subscribers (opt-in box on the sidebar), but a the squeeze page is designed with sole function of conversion in mind.
I that clear?
-Steve
thanks Steve - yes, the desirability to drive cold traffic first to the squeeze page is clear. My question is, for cold searches, say on my name, is it possible to "tag" or otherwise write the SP and the HP differently so that the SP comes out on top in the search results? I noticed when I searched on "oszajca" his home page popped up not his SP. I don't know if that happened because John wrote the pages to cause that to happen, or because it was just the happenstance of the search algorithms.
The SMOP
Ah… I see what you're asking.
Generally speaking, search engines don't particularly like squeeze pages because they lack content and don't link to content, but also because people will hit the back button once they see there isn't anything other than signing up or leaving.
The squeeze page is more about using a value proposition to make people take action (sign-up) rather than to inform/educate/share. For this primary reason, search engines don't usually get enough information from the page to give it a high ranking authority status for the keywords it might be optimized for.
Now that's not to say you can't get a squeeze page to rank in the search engine… I've done it a number of times. It's just that someone else's mid- quality content site will probably out-rank the best squeeze page any day. Again… generally speaking. 🙂
To directly answer your question, the reason John's homepage popped up in the results is because there are numerous pieces of content that are "Oszajca" related, lending relevance to each other via links and therefore boosting the site's overall ranking for the word "Oszajca".
It's harder to rank highly for a single page than it is for a series of related pages. Make sense?
Yes, Steve has it exactly right. My Blog comes up first, not only because Google likes content much more than a squeeze page, but also because it's older and has more links to it.
My personal opinion is that if people are taking the time to find me, I actually want them to have some content to dig through. It usually means they are already fans. But don't get me wrong... I still have a big old opt-in box on every page of the blog, as you can see.
But if I'm working or paying to consciously drive completely cold traffic, I really want that email address so I can build the relationship.
And while I am not personally doing anything to optimize my sites differently, you totally can. Just watch the current training video on SEO for a full example of how to optimize a site for a particular keyword and get it to rank.
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What would you think about doing something like on dailyworth.com. Type in the URL and it redirects to dailyworth.com/subscribe (the squeeze page) UNTIL you've opted in. Once you have opted in you never see it again on subsequent visits.
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After watching the October training video on SEO, I'm thinking that might be a red flag for the search engines, and possibly hurt your ranking. I dunno....anyone else tried this? Interesting idea if it works!
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Mark said:
What would you think about doing something like on dailyworth.com. Type in the URL and it redirects to dailyworth.com/subscribe (the squeeze page) UNTIL you've opted in. Once you have opted in you never see it again on subsequent visits.
Hi Mark,
This sounds like they are running some type of Php or javascript to track a browser's cookie files or session info to see if they had visited the confirmation page. You can do something like this, but let's say for instance that your sign up person clears their cookies in the browser, then they will have to see that default "subscribe" page again, even though they have already signed up. This would be my biggest concern because once people sign up to your list the last thing you want to do is inconvenience them or piss them off.
The easy answer to this is use a solitary squeeze page for cold traffic and then share a content site with them after they sign up. In fact your existing content serves as great relationship building tools and when you sequence which content you expose them to via the autoresponder, you can have a predictable and scalable sales funnel that behaves the same way everytime.
The only variable will be how your visitors behave once they see the content and you have a certain amount of control over that through tracking and testing.
🙂
I totally agree with Steve. I have looked in to cookie based scripts that redirect people accordingly, but inevitably the cookie will clear and then you get confusion. If it's IP based that would be better, but then you get issues with people logging in front different computers/devices. I still really prefer just having two domains. But that's just me.
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John Oszajca said:
Yes, Steve has it exactly right. My Blog comes up first, not only because Google likes content much more than a squeeze page, but also because it's older and has more links to it.
My personal opinion is that if people are taking the time to find me, I actually want them to have some content to dig through. It usually means they are already fans. But don't get me wrong... I still have a big old opt-in box on every page of the blog, as you can see.
But if I'm working or paying to consciously drive completely cold traffic, I really want that email address so I can build the relationship.
And while I am not personally doing anything to optimize my sites differently, you totally can. Just watch the current training video on SEO for a full example of how to optimize a site for a particular keyword and get it to rank.
thanks both Steve and John - crystal clear!
The SMOP