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Upsell Idea's Help
October 6, 2016
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 Hey John and Forum members,

So I haven't been very active on the IC yet as I have been spending a lot of time getting my funnel up and running, and it sure does take a lot of time lol....

So my question in regards to Upsell page is this: 

I have a recent released 6 song EP I'm using as general sale for $5.95. 

My bundle would be a copy of recent EP and my first EP for the same $5.95.

When I get to Upsell page all I have left to offer is 2 full albums which are 1 live duo album and my old Jazz album (separate from songwriting but still pretty cool). Maybe some random demo's and some live Jazz stuff but still separate from my songwriting. 

My concern is that even with a potential say $30 rate for let's say 4 digital downloads, and 2 physical copies mailed and signed of recent EP and Jazz album I'm not offering enough to have a profitable funnel when it comes to paid advertisement....

I have some great ideas of things like merchandise I can use in future, but as of right now I want to make sure I can get some momentum going and see how this does before I spend more $$. 

Any thoughts or suggestions on this, not really into starting a members site just yet?? I want to make the Upsell enticing to buyer so they feel they are really getting something worth it, and if they've already purchased 2 EP's for $5.95 I'm not sure the extra 2 albums for $30 are really gonna fly..

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Peter 

October 7, 2016
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Hey Peter,

There are really a lot of different ways you can slice things. Some people are profitable with just an album. Others need a decent upsell, still others have no upsell but make their money with promotions down the rack. You can add things like house concerts to really beef up your profit potential, or keep it simple with lower end items. And then there is the membership or even Patreon model.

It really comes down to what you think your fans will actually want and your ability to convey the value in what you are offering. It can be tricky, but that's the reality of it. Feel free to post ideas or copy here in the forum for feedback.

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October 7, 2016
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Thanks John,

I guess my question was really what is the break even point for sales and upsells? Sorry I'm being confusing, but my concern is that if I only post my EP's for say $5.95 and then have a 2 full album upsell for say $15 to start off with, I then at best have a total potential of $21 if I land and upsell. Is that even going to be enough to break even or gain a small profit if I'm converting paid advertising such as FB? 

Is this math wrong? For example I run a sales funnel ad on FB and try to get the $1 cost per subscriber rate. 

So for $100 if I make bundle sales to say 10% of those 100 people..

10 people at $5.95 so $59.50.

25% of the 10 purchase the upsell.

2.5 at 15 so $37.50 

Then my funnel is not profitable at a total of $97 out of $100 with ideal margins right? I'm new to this so I could be completely screwing up numbers but I just want to make sure I'm not shooting myself in the foot before I even start advertising..

Thanks,

Peter 

October 10, 2016
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Hi Peter,

Steve here.  Is there any particular reason why you are leading with an EP offer, rather than a full-length album?  That way you're making a bigger sale off the top, but then you could bundle the EP with the second album as an upsell and still  likely charge close to the $15 you originally proposed.  You might be able to make the numbers work in this scenario.

October 11, 2016
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Hey Steve, 

thanks for responding. It's because the only full length album I have of the songwriting stuff is a duo album recorded live and it's not as professional as the EP which is a more recent effort. However I'm thinking I could get creative with my first bundle being that as the first pitch for $10 and then include the most recent EP as the bundle perk.. 

anyways that was the reasoning though for leading with the EP. 

cheers,

Peter 

October 11, 2016
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Hi Peter,

Sorry for the slow response. I've been traveling. My answer is sort of the same. It really depends on the variables of your campaign. It will definitely be tough to be profitable initially when you work with those kind of margins. But if you slide your conversion numbers up a bit, or if you bring down your conversion costs, you are suddenly profitable. For example, if you cut your subscriber acquisition costs down to .75 you would be profitable with the numbers above. Likewise, if you brought your sales up you would be profitable. But I'm not going to pretend that either will be easy.

To my mind you would be better off expecting to run your initial funnel at a slight loss, but plan to run additional promotions a little further down the line. For example, if three months down the line you ran a house concert promo, a membership drive, or even a Patreon campaign, that campaign that ran at a loss could suddenly be quite lucrative.

Alternatively, you could create new products with the aim of increasing the price point of your initial funnel. If it was me, I would take a small budget that you can afford to lose (say $5/day) and look at it as an investment in your career. Start driving traffic, tweak your funnel, get a sense of your numbers, and you can then project from there. In the meantime you WILL be building your audience and gaining some momentum. 

Hope that helps.

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