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Conversion rates on fb ad
June 5, 2018
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Hi

So far i tested and got the winning ad through dynamic creative (I used traffic to get the data). Then i set the ad up using conversions with 10 dollar per day. The cost per lead started at 4 and has now gone up to 5 dollars.

It has a reach of 1538, impressions 2128 with 8 leads and $5.33 per lead. I dont know how to read it so well yet but just the feeling i get is that thats not good,,lol 

Im pausing it for now til i hear from ya . Im considering doing the same ad with diff targeting or using traffic as the objective...any suggestions?

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June 5, 2018
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Hi Mike,

$5/ lead is far too high but it's fairly difficult to guess at these kinds of things without spending a good chunk of time combing through your results.

Did you just run the dynamic creative ad to come to those numbers or did you turn off certain elements along the way as they under performed?

Did you start a new campaign based on the winning results?

How long did you run the ad that is getting the $5 conversions? 

Are you monitoring the trend in the ad on a daily bases to see if prices are going up, down, or are stable?

I have many more questions but those are a good place to start.

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June 6, 2018
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Hi, John

So i ran the dynamic creative to get results for a winning ad. I ran the traffic objective for it and my daily budget was $5.

After getting all the data for the winning ad I then ran the ad that won on a conversions objective with a $10 dollar budget. That was like 19 bux per lead so i stopped it 

The only thing i did differently was a different target and excluded people who liked my page. Everything else was from the winning ad as far as assets go. Each time i changed something i started a new ad from scratch.

the 2nd was 1.50 but i wanted to edit to exclude people that liked my page..So I started a new one with that edit and it started around 4bux a lead then started going up when i paused it at 5.33 per lead which was running since thursday.

Ive been monitoring daily but not enough to see if they go up and down. I just noticed it was high and going up.  

 

Thanks for your  help 🙂

Mike

June 6, 2018
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Hi, John

So i ran the dynamic creative to get results for a winning ad. I ran the traffic objective for it and my daily budget was $5.

After getting all the data for the winning ad I then ran the ad that won on a conversions objective with a $10 dollar budget. That was like 19 bux per lead so i stopped it 

The only thing i did differently was a different target and excluded people who liked my page. Everything else was from the winning ad as far as assets go. Each time i changed something i started a new ad from scratch.

Hey Mike,

With something like this it's really important that all of the variables are the same. You can often get away with changing the objective but changing the target is a massive shift. Excluding people who like your page can also really throw things off because the elements that FB had identified as being the best performers may very well have been converting because people who already know you were responding to them. But the behavior of old traffic would likely be very different.

I'm also wondering how long you let the ad run, both before and after? It sounds to me like there is not enough data here.

the 2nd was 1.50 but i wanted to edit to exclude people that liked my page..So I started a new one with that edit and it started around 4bux a lead then started going up when i paused it at 5.33 per lead which was running since thursday.

Ive been monitoring daily but not enough to see if they go up and down. I just noticed it was high and going up.  

Thanks for your  help 🙂

Mike  

What do you mean by "the 2nd"? Are you saying you ran a second ad and got leads for just $1.50? That would be pretty decent and worth continuing to run for a while as is. But again, you would need to stay consistent. Running a test that included warm traffic and then shifting to cold traffic could easily throw off the results like you've described.

I'd also want to know how long each ad ran for.

Hope that helps.

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June 8, 2018
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Hi John

So in a nutshell i should just go back to the ad as it originally was and split test the others and their variables?

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Hey Mike,

Sorry, I'm lost. I'm not exactly sure where things are at or what you've done. I was never clear on what the 2nd ad was that got conversions for 1.50.

Excluding what you've done, because I'm a bit confused there, the idea is to test a bunch of variables until you get at least 100 actions or so )clicks or conversions). More is better. If the ad is going well I turn off the elements that are not working while keeping the ad running. If it is not going that well I start a new campaign and create a new ad using all of the winning variables, but making sure that all other elements of the campaign (targeting, landing page, objective, etc) are the same. Once you get a winning ad that is doing well for you with traffic, you can try creating a new campaign with conversions as an objective. But always keep in mind you need a minimum of at least 25 - 35 conversions per week in order for the algorithm to work well. So don't start with conversions until you've got things really dialed in.

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June 8, 2018
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Hi John. The light bulb just went on and in hindsight I see what i did wrong.  I apologize for the confusion.

I basically took the winning ad from dynamic creative - ran it in conversion and started tweaking elements in that ad and even made new ones with changes like (Targeting- exclude people who like my page-and some capitalizing of a word or 2) Thinking it wouldnt effect the algorithm too much. 

So maybe starting over is the best bet here. As in going back to the original winning ad - run it in traffic objective as it originally was -and if i make any tweaks to it I simply start a new one with those tweaks and run a new ad instead of changing the existing one. Correct ?

 

Thanks for all you do, mate!

Mike

June 8, 2018
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Hi John. The light bulb just went on and in hindsight I see what i did wrong.  I apologize for the confusion.

I basically took the winning ad from dynamic creative - ran it in conversion and started tweaking elements in that ad and even made new ones with changes like (Targeting- exclude people who like my page-and some capitalizing of a word or 2) Thinking it wouldnt effect the algorithm too much. 

So maybe starting over is the best bet here. As in going back to the original winning ad - run it in traffic objective as it originally was -and if i make any tweaks to it I simply start a new one with those tweaks and run a new ad instead of changing the existing one. Correct? And for "optimization for ad delivery", should it be for link clicks or landing page views?

 

Thanks for all you do, mate!

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Hey Mike,

Sorry, I'm a little fuzzy on some of what you're asking. Basically the idea is to test a bunch of different variables using dynamic creative. Then run a breakdown report and make a list of each creative element that performed best, as well as your best performing demographics, etc. 

If the ad is performing well and is already profitable then just turn off under performing aspects of the ad while leaving it running.

If the ad is not profitable and you still nee to bring costs down, then start a new campaign with the identical set up, but choose the new creative and demographic info.

Make sense?

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Yes , sorry for the confusion , John. I have already done the dynamic creative, the break down report, and got the winning ad. 

I was changing assets with out starting new ads previously. So im just starting with the winning again only this time as close to the original as it was. I hope that makes sense.lol

What Im curious about is should i use link clicks or landing page views for the delivery optimization? The default when created the new ad was landing page so i went with that. but now i see the original was link clicks. Should i change it to link clicks?

 

Thanks again for your help

Mike

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Theoretically, it should effect much, but I would always keep everything the same until things are going well with a campaign. Otherwise you just don't know why something started under performing.

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Ok, sounds good. It appears to be doing ok price wise. I just began the run yesterday. It started at $2 then .50 cents. now .81 cents. Im not sure how to breakdown the numbers % wise yet but . 47 out of 2255 impressions, 1 actual sign up. 

I have a couple of questions..

1.The news feed section of the ad cuts off the text section... and doesnt open to see more. Its only 1 sentence not long at all,,ever see that? Or is that just in my view?

2. How long should I let the ad run before I pause and change targeting? Its been going for about a week and I've only had 1 signup to my list and just wondered if that was normal Either way Ill keep you posted.

 

Thanks, John. It means a lot!

Mike

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Ok, sounds good. It appears to be doing ok price wise. I just began the run yesterday. It started at $2 then .50 cents. now .81 cents. Im not sure how to breakdown the numbers % wise yet but . 47 out of 2255 impressions, 1 actual sign up. 

.50 certs per click is not terrible but you want it even lower. But a decent starting place. Don't worry about impressions. Instead, look at your Aweber sign up form stats to calculate your conversion rate.

I have a couple of questions..

1.The news feed section of the ad cuts off the text section... and doesnt open to see more. Its only 1 sentence not long at all,,ever see that? Or is that just in my view?

I will always truncate anything that is too long and give readers a "more" link that should open the rest of the text. To make sure it is working you want to click the preview ad icon and view it in a real feed to see how it behaves. 

2. How long should I let the ad run before I pause and change targeting? Its been going for about a week and I've only had 1 signup to my list and just wondered if that was normal Either way Ill keep you posted.

 

That's a bit of a huge question with not much data. You want to be getting subscribers almost immediately. But of course that depends on your budget. If your budget is only $5/day it's possible it would take a day or two, but that would not be a good sign.On the one hand, FB needs time to dial things in (typically about 5 days), but if things are so bad that there is nothing to dial in you can kill the campaign much quicker. If I spent $10 and did not get a single subscriber I would be killing that ad campaign.

Thanks, John. It means a lot!

Mike  

No problem. Hope the above helps.

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