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Been thinking a lot about Kickstarter
May 12, 2013
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This is something that Steve and I just discussed on the next MMM podcast episode which should hit your inbox next week, but I really think Kickstarter, or more specifically crowd sourcing, needs a conceptual face-lift. I was one of those people that always saw crowd sourcing as a form of begging, and I resented the request for money. After many recent developments in the entertainment industry and even donating to a number of interesting campaigns I now see crowd sourcing as simply wholesale entertainment, and a chance for the consumer to order directly from the artists we admire. It potentially kills the mega corporation which has traditionally controlled the distribution channels and offers anyone with a tribe the chance to make art for the people that want it. It's a real, not BS supply and demand opportunity. But it still needs to get passed the common perception that it is a charity platform, and establish itself as a direct to fan "order in advance" platform. But I think it's really exciting to see what's happening out there.

Here's a recent Amanda Palmer video that really captures it...

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May 31, 2013
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I felt the same way about Kickstarter at first. I didn't want to become the musician playing on the street corner begging for money. (Though I did do that once just to see what it was like. The lady sitting in the wheelchair doing nothing made more money than I did.) But after awhile, seeing all of the other projects getting funded on Kickstarter, I decided to give it a try.

I had a good first attempt, but like so many things I was not very experienced on my first try and did not succeed. I was not prepared for the amount of advertising that had to be done in order to achieve a successful campaign. I guess it was also my fault for trying to fund a Christmas album in October. I will be using Kickstarter again for my next project. This time I should be successful. I'm prepared to advertise and I'll be piggybacking on an already popular source (I'm doing an album of Final Fantasy music).

Now I see Kickstarter as a way to advertise future projects to see if there is any interest in them. Also it's a good way to take pre-orders. If the project is successful that means you're giving the fans what they want, and you should continue in that direction. If it's not successful, maybe the album wasn't such a good idea in the first place. Then again, I went ahead and did my Christmas album anyway after my failed Kickstarter attempt. I ended up funding it myself and it's been fairly successful.

So, if Kickstarter can kick start your dreams, please use it and don't think of yourself as a charity case. Our music has to be paid for somehow, so it might as well come from our fans. If you don't want to use it, you'll just have to find some other way to fund your projects. (Playing on the streets isn't bad. Make sure to perform around lots of drunk people, they give out more money.)

 

- Doug Clyde

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June 15, 2013
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I've had an interest in trying kickstarter for quite a while, but the timing wasn't right for where I was at. I think now might be a good time to try it, since I have a new CD, but have not officially released it yet. Has any one else on IC had any success?

 

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June 17, 2013
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Kickstarter really seems to be becoming the new norm for big and small artists alike. Just saw a friend of mine's page on Pledgemusic. Looks like he should hit his goal. I think he did a good job with the video and the rewards: http://www.pledgemusic.com/pro.....maxcollins

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June 17, 2013
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As I am sure is the same for everyone else in here using facebook, but I see a lot of post from other artists, who spew a bit of hatred to famous folks for using the platform, while they are using it themselves.

One of the biggest complaints is that those that are already established in the mainstream or otherwise, shouldn't be using it because it's a platform for the "little guy".

While I agree that it's a great platform for the little guy to get funding, I don't see the problem with established artists using it.  The point being that all that these already famous folks are doing is simply tapping into their list and letting their fans tell them what they are interested in seeing become a reality and essentially pre-ordering the finished product at varying levels.

In my mind this really solidifies the importance of having your own in-house email list to build a relationship with.  Just as you can send out an offer to buy your current cd, you can send out an offer for folks to get behind and pre-order your next one, if they want to see it happen.

If you go back into your mind to when you made your first real studio recording, wouldn't it have been a hell of a lot easier (and likely less stressful) if you knew in advance that you already had the funds to make it a reality and the people to take it home when it's done?

It's almost like knowing how cool of a project you can do and the minimum number of copies you will sell, before you even dig in and get to work.

June 18, 2013
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I saw the potential for the "pre-order" concept a long time ago, but that's because I'd already seen artists
doing pre-orders for years before Kickstarter existed.

The one reason I don't do a Kickstarter is because the successful ones have well-done professional videos.
They didn't pay nothing for the videos that they have, and I feel that that is really hard to compete
with when you are asking for participation from people not already in your "tribe."

I have thought about putting one together for my next release as a pre-sale to take the bite out of
raising the money on my own.

One thing I noticed is: in the campaign above (and others I've seen) there seem to be too many things
to pledge for. Everything I'm learning from my marketing research suggests that when a potential
customer is presented with too many choices, they don't make any decision at all. I was thinking about
sticking to 4 or 5 good options if I decide to go this route.

June 18, 2013
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Tim Curry said

One thing I noticed is: in the campaign above (and others I've seen) there seem to be too many things
to pledge for. Everything I'm learning from my marketing research suggests that when a potential
customer is presented with too many choices, they don't make any decision at all. I was thinking about
sticking to 4 or 5 good options if I decide to go this route.

That's a really good point and it's a weird grey area where I am kind of inconsistent. I totally agree with what you're saying and am constantly steering artists away from big long order option pages. But at the same time I kind of like them in Kickstarter campaigns. I think it's purely because we've become conditioned to think "ooh, I wonder what they're offering". Or at least I am. I think this also depends on the relationship you have with your list. If they are supporting you purely because you are putting in the effort and a lot of reciprocity exists then I think keeping it simple is probably smart. But if they are chomping at the bit for your stuff then I think a lot of options is a good thing, purely for the pledge drive. I still strongly agree though, that in a normal funnel I would stick with one simple item and then another simple item on an upsell page. You're definitely right that too much choice often equals no decision at all.

 

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June 29, 2013
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John,

     I just launched a Kickstarter project a few days ago. I'll let you know how it goes, and if it's successful or not. Good or bad I'll share what I learned from the experience. After a few days it's progressing well enough to reach the goal if it keeps going up at the same rate. Click through rates are varied. Facebook is high, Bing is average, e-mail is average, banner ads are low, Twitter I'm not sure, and family and friends is pathetic. I considered doing a You Tube featured video, but I have no idea how to do it. I guess I'll have to wait until you make a monthly training for it. I'll keep you posted.

 

- Doug Clyde

ALBEDO MUSIC

 

 

 

 

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June 29, 2013
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Hey Doug,

Good luck with with your Kickstarter project! I will be anxious to see how you do, as I am planning on launching a Kickstarter campaign pretty soon for my new CD also.

Are you using professionally done videos?

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http://www.gregparkemusic.com

June 29, 2013
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Hey again Doug,

  I just wanted to let you know that I did a search on Kickstarter for "Doug Clyde" and nothing comes up. Maybe still too early, or hopefully not a glitch somewhere?

Also, Kickstarter just launched an app for IPhones and iPads. I will try a search later with the new app and see if anything comes up

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Check out Greg Parke and you’ll have a pretty good idea!

http://www.gregparkemusic.com

July 13, 2013
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Greg,

     I think you'll have better luck searching under my artist name ALBEDO. The project is music from Final Fantasy VI. The video was as professional as I could make it. I did not hire anyone to help me with it. The campaign is about half way over. Looking back, I wish I would have used Indiegogo instead. Kickstarter has several policies I don't like. I will have a full report as soon as it's expired.

 

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August 13, 2013
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     As promised, here is the report from my recent Kickstarter campaign. I advertised on Facebook, Bing, Twitter, and banner ads through Buy Sell Ads. I did some PR articles through a few free services, and submitted it to local media (with only one response from a small local city newspaper which resulted in no publication). It got featured on several small websites, plus a podcast. I sent out messages to my official e-mail list and posted it all over my website. I uploaded the Kickstarter video to You Tube. I sent out e-mails to family and friends, and of course posted on my Facebook and Twitter accounts. I also did some backlinks through Fiverr. Here are the various click through rates I got: Facebook promoted post 3.6%, Facebook Ads 0.9%, Twitter Ad 1.5%, Bing Ad 0.1%, Banner Ads 0.004%. With Facebook and Twitter keep in mind that these were clicks on the ad, and not on the actual Kickstarter link. On Facebook I tried various ads with different texts and demographics, some worked better than others. The image I mostly used on ads was a picture of my head with a red border. I also sent out messages to friends of friends who liked pages similar to the project, but I definitely won't do that again. It's a lot of work with poor results, not to mention the people that completely freak out when you send them messages on Facebook. I got more positive responses than negative, but mostly I got ignored. I could tell the banner ads were performing poorly, so I changed the images, but did not get a better result. SEO work resulted in the top spot on page 2 of both Google and Bing on one key word.

     All of that advertising resulted in only 10 backers with an average of $15 per pledge. The rest of the backers were my Facebook friends, who also gave the biggest pledges at an average of $50 per pledge. I received zero pledges from family members. Chip Davis of Mannheim Steamroller, my main musical idol I might add, was my biggest pledger and also sent his best wishes. He heard about the project from his employee Tom Hartig, who is a friend of mine that I met while touring the Mannheim Steamroller warehouse. So, no matter what happens I'm finishing this project, even if I have to fund it all myself and even if everyone else hates it.

     They say that 82% of projects on Kickstarter are successfully funded once they reach 20% of their goal, and 98% are successful once they hit 60%. I was not able to reach 20% of my goal and therefore was not successful. A similar project on Kickstarter was able to raise over $150,000. I thought for sure I would be able to get at least 1% of that, but I was wrong. It got off to a great start, but then quickly lost steam and died.

     Next time, if I choose to do crowd funding again, I will go through Indiegogo instead. That way I can at least keep the pledges I received without having to meet the goal. Kickstarter requires too much personal information to set up your account, plus the hassle of having to set up an Amazon account as well. Also, I will choose bigger banner ads since I used the 125x125 size. The small size was probably the main reason why the click through rates were so low. I did get some likes to my Facebook and Twitter pages in the process, plus an e-mail sign-up, so it wasn't a complete loss. Before the campaign was over I announced that I was still going ahead with the project, without any funding from Kickstarter, and if anyone wanted to continue to receive updates to sign-up to my e-mail list. Overall, I learned some necessary things, and will definitely do it better next time or at least apply the knowledge to other aspects of my music career.

 

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Hey Doug,

Thanks for updating us on your campaign. Sorry to hear it was not successful. I think part of the problem may have been that (if I understand correctly) you were sending traffic directly to the Kickstarter page. While I think that may do okay for some, I think the best approach is to send all traffic into your funnel. Not only might you break even on the list acquisition, but you will have the chance to really build that bond before asking for the pledge. I think very few people would be willing to back a campaign that they were just learning about. I think a bond, and perhaps a bit of reciprocity, need to be in place first. The fact that you got even a few of those cold prospects to donate is fairly impressive.

I'd focus on building that list a bit bigger first and then try it again, perhaps with a different platform like you mentioned. Keep your chin up.

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John,

    Yes, I was sending traffic directly to the campaign on the Kickstarter website. Now that you mention it, I should have sent them to my squeeze page first. That way I could have at least gotten several new e-mails sign-ups. I'm hoping you'll do a Crowd Funding lesson soon, so I that I don't have to keep learning the hard way. Thanks for the tips!

 

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I've got that on my list and will see what I can do :-)

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Kickstarter has just announced that it reached $1 Billion in pledges. The best part about this is they've provided a link with some very useful stats. They let us know which countries pledged the most and how much. They have even included which days of the week had the most pledges and which days of the month. As advertisers this provides us with some very useful information, letting us know exactly when people spend the most money. Personally, this will help me to know which days are best for sending out e-mails and doing facebook advertising campaigns. You can find the information at the link below!

 

https://www.kickstarter.com/1billion

 

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Thanks Doug. What were your biggest takeaways?

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John,

    The biggest takeaways I got were the following:

Outside of the United States, the United Kingdom spent the most money. Even more than Canada, but still only 5% of the total. U.S. was 66%.

$1 Billion was donated by only 5.7 Million people, and only a quarter of them backed more than one project.

62% was pledged by returning backers. Which means 2/3 of the money was donating by only 1/4 of all pledgers.

Wednesday was the highest pledging day of the week, followed closely by Thursday and Tuesday. Friday and Monday were next with Saturday and Sunday the lowest.

The 13th was the highest pledging day of the month followed by the 1st, 14th, 10th, 11th and 12th. The 31st was the lowest of course (only happens a few times a year) followed by the 29th, 30th and 28th.

On the highest grossing day $75 was the average pledge with 1,985 projects getting an average of $2,000 each. Overall the average pledge was $175.

     All very useful stats and very interesting.

 

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Yeah, for sure. I think the fact that the average pledge is $175 is pretty huge. Definitely makes one think about pricing. I think more and more, music is going to become about selling a bigger, more involved, and more expensive experience, that is going to be about $10 albums.

I was also happy to see the best pledging days of the week line up with the conventional wisdom in marketing circles. I have always done best Tues - Thurs and always find it odd when people claim they have better weekends than week days. 

 

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